I have no idea what they do or who "started" it, the guy I used was appmagenta.com and he did a great job. He brought me all the way to the 15th spot in free app overall
I have no idea what they do or who "started" it, the guy I used was appmagenta.com and he did a great job. He brought me all the way to the 15th spot in free app overall
It seems they created zillions of itunes accounts in automatic way, and "download" your app in automatic way from each of them.
__________________ iSpreadNews.com - VERY CHEAP (from $63) way to send your iPhone/iPad app announcement to hundreds of blog owners over the globe.
Just remember that US AppStore is not the only AppStore in the world.
It's hard to say because I did end up with LOTS of ad requests and lots of highscore postings
Hi,
I am a co-founder of GTekna Corporation and we've been doing iPhone application promotion for more than 18 months. We put ad banners on many web sites to boost visibilities of clients' applications. All the downloads are made by regular visitors to those web sites and we do not use any other negative methods.
I happened to know appmagenta.com from one of the clients and I read their Terms of Service and found that the contents are almost same as our promotion contract. I am not sure how they do their business, but I would like to ask you (Ruby) if you can provide more details about your experience with them. I would use their services for my own applications if it's really working for that low price. I am very curious if their services comply with Apple's policies. I am for sure they started their services very very recently because we started using 'From Unknown to Top 25 in only 3 Days!' phrase since about a month ago when we developed our new web site.
We do not have any duplicate web sites other than GTekna Corporation - iPhone/iPad Application Development & Promotion. Our company is registered in California, US. We have been promoting so many well-known applications over the year and our clients are very satisfied with our services. We also promote iPad applications.
Rudy could those highscores/ads be the result, presumably of being in the top 25?
What got you there might well have been automated downloads as iSpreadNews suggests. Problem is if and when this becomes widespread, the top 25 will go to hell and more importantly apple will go ballistic. I would not want to be on the receiving end of apples displeasure if this blows up.
Rudy could those highscores/ads be the result, presumably of being in the top 25?
What got you there might well have been automated downloads as iSpreadNews suggests. Problem is if and when this becomes widespread, the top 25 will go to hell and more importantly apple will go ballistic. I would not want to be on the receiving end of apples displeasure if this blows up.
As I've said before I do really think the thing is legit, I doubt I would have had the same results if they had done some kind of automated downloads or something
As I've said before I do really think the thing is legit, I doubt I would have had the same results if they had done some kind of automated downloads or something
What are you basing your doubts on? Have you had a lot of other apps in the top 25 that you can compare the numbers to?
$2500 is extremely low for an advertising budget. For some perspective, John Gruber charges $5000 to sponsor DaringFireball's RSS feeds for a week, and that essentially consists of two mentions of your company in his text feed (and certainly no guarantee on returns) -- do you think that would be enough to guarantee a jump into the top 25? Hell, print ads in magazines and newspapers can easily run into 5 or 6 digits. And yet, some company that no one's ever heard of and that doesn't provide any real contact information can guarantee that for a small flat fee your app will jump ahead of the other 60,000 free apps in the entire store, or your money back? In 2-3 days, no less?
To say that I'm skeptical is an understatement. If what they're doing is legit, then why aren't the thousands of other marketing firms with respectable track records able to guarantee similar results at the same or lower costs? And why aren't they able to repeat the same success in the paid marketplace, even at a much higher cost?
I don't think anyone here has done anything knowingly wrong, but before using any 3rd party service I'd certainly want to have a very good idea of what they're going to be doing in my company's name.
I don't know if Apple is reading this topic but the manner of fact is - Apple has removed the Top Free listing from the main page of the App Store.
For at least last 8 hours it was glitching by showing paid apps in the listing of free apps on the main page. Now Free section is removed at all. This means that Apple is definnitely changing something with it right now.
The same is now happening with subcategories. They show a less then 10 paid apps under "Free" listing at category main pages.
Interesting what will happen with it later.
I guess Apple is experimenting if users will buy more paid apps in this case. And it seems like sites like appshopper.com that may last as the only places with free listings will get significally increased traffic.
What I've learned much since I've started the topic is:
1) This just works.
2) Appmagenta and Gtekna using same methods.
3) This is legitimate banner ads - there seem to be no hidden catches or tricks.
4) This costs budgets not any small developer can afford - this in most cases may be overall cheaper to go with Appmagenta or Gtekna.
5) This is very straight method with lots of underwater stones - thus for small developers with only a few apps to promote working with promoters is a good (and as I guess so far the only) way to warm up the flight of their apps.
6) This only works for "free" apps and only for a short period until ratio of banners start to decrease until app falls out of the top at all - this is why promoters offer only a short time top 25 promotions like that and why they are looking for other apps to promote while knowing of such a good method or promotion - the same reason why Apple rotates its "featuring" categories at their main page once every week.
7) You can try it yourself but I guess for most of apps and developers with less than 10-15 of really attractive and money generating apps (produced montly) this method will cost significally more effort, time and money.
8) For many apps it may barely cover expenses. For pairs of "pro" and "free" apps it may decrease sales of "pro" initially upon the start of the promo. "Free" users will generate bad reviews only. You should be aware of what you are doing and how you will convert downloads of free app into money then. If you create crap apps - people just won't like it so be constructive in evaluating your own apps chanses.
9) It can be near impossible for you to make it yourself as ad spaces on most of sites used for promotion are wholesaled to promoters like Appmagenta and Gtekna. It may take forever for you to wait for ad spaces to be available for sales. And I guess current customer have priority rights to continue using same ad spaces on same sites.
8) For many apps it may barely cover expenses. For pairs of "pro" and "free" apps it may decrease sales of "pro" initially upon the start of the promo. "Free" users will generate bad reviews only. You should be aware of what you are doing and how you will convert downloads of free app into money then. If you create crap apps - people just won't like it so be constructive in evaluating your own apps chanses.
I agree, covering the expenses will be very hard with a lower quality app (or a lite version, since it might not increase your paid version by that much)
I think this method works best on full apps using ads
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9) It can be near impossible for you to make it yourself as ad spaces on most of sites used for promotion are wholesaled to promoters like Appmagenta and Gtekna. It may take forever for you to wait for ad spaces to be available for sales. And I guess current customer have priority rights to continue using same ad spaces on same sites.
I agree, I mean my ad was on sites like appsafari.com.... I checked and it seems like a pretty busy site, I really doubt they'd sell me ad space for a good price
The app goes up in other stores as well. But of course the US is the #1 promotion target. Other countries are secondary - you get this as a bonus as ads are shown to people from other countries too.
That means that appshopper.com either oversells their ads spaces or there is a glith in a banner system, or some advertisers purchase a kind of priority ads, more ad slots there or something. I think this may happen with other sites as well.
There are no priority ads on AppShopper and we only sell as much as is noted. We also use a 3rd party service to deliver ads (BuySellAds.com), so even if we wanted to, we couldn't oversell or prioritize certain ads.
If there's a problem, contact us (ads@appshopper.com). Every account should have full ad stats, so it should be clear if you are getting the impressions that were promised.
arn, I've been researching this and now I see that this behavior can be a result of having 16 banner slots for sale while only 4 shown at a time.
Even if all banners are given same chances - to prioritize the banner the advertiser just purchases more than one slot. So by technical means this is possible.
And, on the other hand, the ad engine can have its own behavior like spreading banner impressions over the day in a non-uniform distribution.
arn, I've been researching this and now I see that this behavior can be a result of having 16 banner slots for sale while only 4 shown at a time.
Even if all banners are given same chances - to prioritize the banner the advertiser just purchases more than one slot. So by technical means this is possible.
Sure, but that's not a reflection of underderliving for an advertiser. Can someone pay twice as much for twice the ad space? Of course. But that's expected behavior.
I suppose maybe the confusion was the fact that there are 16 ads for 4 rotating slots? That was never meant to be a hidden fact. So an ad has a (roughly) 1/4 chance of being shown on a given page view.
top 25 promotion of free app - another scam?
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